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1. #HHKB LAYOUT SIZES FOR MAC#
2. #HHKB LAYOUT SIZES MOD#
3. #HHKB LAYOUT SIZES FULL#
4. #HHKB LAYOUT SIZES MODS#

it’s too critical for my every day typing life, but I don’t know that extra. I too could not live without a spacebar-adjacent ⌘. I find with these two setups its barely any extra effort to hit the arrow keys. likewise on the Sirius, I have them in the normal hhkb position, so they are easy to hit with your right pinky on the split shift function. really easy to access without moving my hands. I don’t really miss arrow keys, on my Tsangan board I have them on hjkl like vim, with a held space bar as a function. Moving LCtrl up to the caps position just makes so much sense given how little I actually use either, and having it do double duty gives it even more purpose. I only use the left one to occasionally ctrl+click and to stop things in terminal. I started with Tsangan and that was nearly perfect, but I got annoyed by having extra keys that I barely ever use (R and LCtrl).

#HHKB LAYOUT SIZES FOR MAC#

I really think the basic hhkb layout makes a lot of sense for Mac users, especially if, like me, you want every key to have a real purpose.

#HHKB LAYOUT SIZES MODS#

Using 1.25u mods in the bottom row would eliminate this issue while keeping its iconic blockered look. I would argue that it would still be a pretty iconic layout with 4 1.25 mods along the bottom.Īlso somewhat ironic that the layout was based on an apple keyboard (its perfect for an OS that doesn’t really require the regular use of ctrl) and the designer almost exclusively uses Mac, but the appropriate legends are still kind of an afterthought at best in many keysets. I wonder why the bottom row didn’t also evolve into something more “standard” along with it.

#HHKB LAYOUT SIZES FULL#

25 to match a more modern layout (2.25 vs 2 enter for example and a full 1u right function in the split shift). Particularly how his original instincts were more minimal but commercial influence overrode that in the final product.Ĭomparing the modern hhkb layout to the m0110 it looks like the right hand modifiers were widened by. Reading that interview with Eiti Wada was fascinating. While this is all an interesting discussion, I didn’t mean to setup a debate about the relative value of topre switches - I am sure they are great I am more interested in the evolution of the layout. I imagine that if Topre testers were available opinions would be slightly-less-radically polarized about them than they are right now.ĮDIT: even if they were easier to try out and understand if you like, Topre would still have a lot of problems that are shared with Alps in terms of availability and compatibility (with PCBs) compared to MX-based switches, so idk The investment to try any other kind of switch is almost comically small compared to Topre, so I imagine there’s a relatively meaningful number of people who are going to have their expectations fall short of reality when they actually sink an investment in getting a Topre board if it doesn’t completely convert them over to the thock side. I imagine that is probably at least partly the case, and it’s not a claim I’d make, but it definitely doesn’t help that most folks would have to buy a keyboard or go to a meetup to even experiment with Topre because there’s no way to get a Topre switch tester (as far as I know? Maybe I’m wrong). I feel like the only people that say this are people that haven’t tried topre. Since I don’t need to worry about PCB structure with my hard-wired project, I think I am going to go for this modified HHKB-style layout, but it has made me wonder why something that would make this layout just a little more standard isn’t more commonplace? It gets a little trickier with Tsangan bottom rows (my first love), but some kind of 1.5 + 1.25 + 1.25 could still be used to fill the same space and only require 2 additional special keys instead of 6. 25/u seems like a pretty negligible difference both in functionality and aesthetics and a fairly large trade-off for keyset compatibility. I get that the closer key is used more often in every OS and therefore it makes a certain amount of sense for it be slightly larger, but. Using 4 1.25u mods would take up the exact same space as the current 1.5+1u x2 situation and GREATLY expand my keyset options. I have limited my purchases to those that do either in the base (grateful!) or child (appreciative) kits.Īs I am planning my first hand-wired project, it has me thinking about the history and practicality of this bottom row layout.

Most keysets include a 1.5u alt and 1u super(etc.), but only a few include the opposite that I need. One thing that has really held me back from joining many keyset group buys is that, as a Mac user (niche of a niche here, I know), I could end up with incorrect legends when using my preferred layout. In my ongoing keeb journey, I have come to realize that HHKB-style is the layout for me.

#HHKB LAYOUT SIZES MOD#

Does anyone know the historical reason for the 1.5u/1u mod clusters on the hhkb-style layout?